There is One Truth – A Response to Momastery’s “I love Gay People and I love Christians. I Choose All.” and “A Mountain I’m Willing to Die On”

My wife brought a fellow blogger’s posting to my attention – in fact two such posts (one from back in 2010 and another from two days ago).

I wrote on this topic extensively a few months back, but I’m back for another crack at it because of the above two entries into the public consciousness.

What brought me back to the topic of gay marriage is not a change of opinion or heart (both of which would rely on my own faulty human emotions and reinterpretation of The Holy Word of God and the very meaning and Truth behind the words contained within).  What brought me back is the concept I see littered throughout those two pieces I linked above – that of a re-definable God.

Let’s settle something right now.

God is not human, that he should lie,
    not a human being, that he should change his mind.

Numbers 23:19

He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a human being, that he should change his mind.

1 Samuel 15:29

Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.

James 1:17

I the Lord do not change.

Malachi 3:6

God is immutable.  The God of the Old Testament is the same God as the New Testament.  God, Spirit, Son – all are the same since the beginning of the frame of existence that we call time.  The metaphysical aspect of this concept is that the Triune God exists at all points in time simultaneously so if God changes, then there can be no true god as the concept would then be bound by a dimension of the universe that he created.

The author of those pieces I linked above does not seem to understand this fundamental concept about God and is prescribing a course of behavior completely at odds with the Word of God. This is a particular dangerous thing to do.  While there are some who read what this woman writes with a grain of salt and strong understanding of scripture and are able to test what she says (and what she says is sometimes right and true, which makes it all that more insidious).  Someone without a scriptural understanding and lens to measure her opinions over, they are incapable of spotting the inconsistencies and omissions of scriptural truth.

By biggest problem lies in these quotes:

Your parents are Christians who carefully choose what we believe and follow in the Bible.

No. No. No. No! This is the biggest lie that Satan has managed to interject into the world and deep within believers that must be rooted out.  You do not get to pick and choose for yourself what is Truth.  That is your pride speaking.  That is you saying that you know better than God Himself.

What I’m trying to say is that each Christian uses different criteria to decide what parts of the Bible to prioritize and demonstrate in their lives. Our criteria is that if it doesn’t bring us closer to seeing humanity as one, as connected, if it turns our judgment outward instead of inward, if it doesn’t help us become better lovers of God and others, if it distracts us from remembering what we are really supposed to be doing down here, which is finding God in every human being…

STOP!  Finding God in every human being?  Okay… problem.  BIG BIG PROBLEM.  You can see the finger of God in every person, every creation, but you cannot find GOD Himself.  We are made in His image – that’s it.  Purge this thought from your mind now because it will grow like a cancer and pervert your understanding of God’s nature and the nature of our relationship with Him.  Do not assign your personal pride to another person.  All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23).

God gave you the Bible, and He also gave you your heart and your mind and I believe He’d like you to use all three.

Well, that almost sounds like a good idea.  I wonder what scripture says about the heart.

Trust in the Lord with all your heart
    and lean not on your own understanding;
in all your ways submit to him,
    and he will make your paths straight.

Do not be wise in your own eyes;
    fear the Lord and shun evil.

Proverbs 3:5-7

But blessed is the one who trusts in the Lord,
    whose confidence is in him.
They will be like a tree planted by the water
    that sends out its roots by the stream.
It does not fear when heat comes;
    its leaves are always green.
It has no worries in a year of drought
    and never fails to bear fruit.”

The heart is deceitful above all things
    and beyond cure.
    Who can understand it?

“I the Lord search the heart
    and examine the mind,
to reward each person according to their conduct,
    according to what their deeds deserve.

Jeremiah 17:7-10

For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.

Matthew 15:19

Well then, sure seems like judging by the heart is a bad idea – it is easily swayed and emotionally led.

Shifting gears here a bit – when you redefine words you change their meaning to you, but not the meaning when they were written, nor the intent of the author.  The author of Momastery relies on these redefinitions to validate her opinion.  She relies on scripture’s call to love, but she badly misunderstands the various types of love.  And here is where she falls into a terribly tenuous place for her – because of her platform and audience, you could consider her a teacher.  I have a tiny fraction of the same audience, but I hold myself as God will upon judgment – as a teacher as well, and for that reason I carefully reflect on scripture, context, and pray upon every word I write so as not to lead someone else astray unintentionally.

Let me try to set something straight here.  Like I said, not everything the author said was wrong, and that’s why it’s difficult for some to separate the truth from it and discount the rest without a strong scriptural understanding.  We’re going to head back to the immutability of God.

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

John 3:16

This is the Gospel.  This is Truth.  God loves every one of His creations – mankind – that He Himself, through Christ, offered the only pathway to righteousness through the crucifixion and resurrection.  This God is not a different God from the one who wrote His laws in stone on the mountain in Exodus or provided the remainder of the Law.  Remember – God is constant and unchanging.  The God that rained fire down on Sodom and Gomorrah, sent the plagues on Egypt, and struck down entire armies is the same God who became man two millenia ago.  God is fearsome in His might, majesty, and absolute demand of perfect adherence to His law.  God – pure goodness, pure love, and holiness unblemished in even the slightest way – cannot tolerate sin, even the tiniest one because it is a corruption of the image of God and the bearer of that corruption cannot survive an encounter with the pureness of God.  So the author is neglecting significant chunks of scripture in order to justify their understanding of God and sin.  She discounts Levitical law and various points in the bible where sexual immorality, sodomy, and unnatural relations are expressly prohibited as sinful and meriting death, but forgets that God is unchanging.  She, and so many others, want God to change because it is IMPOSSIBLE for man to follow all of the law without Christ, and that is not unexpected – Christ never promised an easy path – but to use your public pulpit in order to spread mistruths… well scripture has a lot to say on that as well.

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute….

2 Peter 2:1-2

…these people blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals they too will perish.

2 Peter 2:12

they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of the flesh, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for “people are slaves to whatever has mastered them.” If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.

2 Peter 2:18-21

When you deviate from the perfection and completeness of scripture and begin picking and choosing in order to validate your own opinion, you are acting out of pride.  That in and of itself is bad, but to spread your word as truth rather than The Word and The Truth, you are supplanting God and essentially telling Him that He is wrong and spreading that understanding to others and potentially causing them to fall away from God also.

Now, I will briefly touch on a few things that she got right.

God loves all mankind. Yes, absolutely, otherwise redemption would have been withheld from us.

We are not to judge others or condemn others. Judgment is reserved from God alone and Christ alone is our intercessor.

We are to love our neighbors as ourselves.  Absolutely.  We’re all in the same boat – we’re all sinners hopelessly lost and in need of the grace and mercy of God, our Father and Creator.  But the author fell short again here… I will end this session with a question – do I truly love my neighbor if I tolerate and celebrate his or her lifestyle if it is sinful?  Am I doing them any eternal favors, by not bringing them into the saving grace of Christ which will free them from the bondage of sin?

 

 

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  1. You are fighting love with hate and you will never ever win. Your tone in this blog is seeping with the attitude that Glennon is uneducated and therefore is wrong. Suggesting she has no spiritual grounding so therefore she makes outlandish claims about God? Absolutely not. I am seminary educated and agree fully with her thesis. I would suggest for you as a writer to find your own lens and stop attacking hers. What is your point here, even, if not to prove you are “smarter” than her, which clearly you are not. Is it to “save” readers from her message? To “rescue” them from her message to challenge what they have been told about God and think for themselves? I challenge you to go back to that line Jesus Christ drew in the sand and pluck the log out of your own eye.

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  2. You claim to be seminary educated, but did not cite scriptural references to refute my point that her own diatribe is based on emotion and feeling rather than solid theology. You are welcome to disagree, but I suggest you consider the fact that not only did I state my argument, but supported it with significant scriptural references taken in context with the surrounding text and from throughout the entire Bible. I have no issues with Glennon personally, but I have a problem with someone reading something into scripture that is not there.

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  3. Julie

     /  June 27, 2013

    I’m curious to know if you detest all creatures in the seas and streams that do not have fins and scales? Because according to Leviticus we are to detest them. Do you wear clothing woven of two kinds of material?! I’m guessing you have cut the sides of your hair at one time or another in your life. These are just a few examples of the laws of Leviticus, laws that are not considered relevant any longer, technically because Christ’s death made them null and void, but because culturally they wouldn’t hold an inch of ground. Yet, the verse that says a man isn’t to lie with another man as he does with a woman is selected to hold onto by Christians for the rest of time?! Perfect logic.

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  4. Julie – I would encourage you to look into what judicial/cultural, moral, and ceremonial laws are within the Levitical law as there are all three types displayed within. Christ fulfilled the law so the physical circumsion and covenant were done away with at His resurrection, but the moral law remains (Paul wrote a great deal on this – essentially, the law is for the unbeliever because a believer will endeavor to live morally out of obedience to Christ as they draw closer to Him). You may consider this imperfect logic, but the law still exists and still convicts us as sinners until we repent (this is not just an acknowledgment of our imperfect state, but a movement away from sin as well – James wrote a great deal on this topic).

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  5. Chris

     /  June 27, 2013

    If you are going to use Levitical Law as an argument against “sexual immorality, sodomy, and unnatural relations”, then I hope you are following ALL the laws in Leviticus, not just picking and choosing to prove your point.

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    • Chris, I would recommend you read what I wrote today as a followup specifically addressing your counterargument (which falls flat under apologetic scrutiny).

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  6. Katie

     /  June 27, 2013

    If it was that important for everyone to know that homosexuality was a sin, don’t you think Jesus would have mentioned it? I think He knew what He was doing. Pretty smart man, from what I’ve read.

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    • That is a suppositional assertion on your part. However, Jesus did specifically reinforce the traditional man/woman combination as the only legitimate marriage relationship. Aside from that, he also reinforced via reference the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah as directly leading to their destruction.

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  7. Jen

     /  June 28, 2013

    Now I want to leave the church. Was struggling so much in my devotion time this morning with how I can be Christian and still know that those that I love so deeply have not made a “decision” to live a “lifestyle”. I came across “I love Gay People and I love Christians. I Choose All.” and “A Mountain I’m Willing to Die On” and I felt a kindred spirit. Do you have any gay family members, parishioners, friends? Do you truly know them? Do you truly love them? That is for you and God to decide an work out. I can’t in good conscious deny my love for my family. I will not label them as choosing a lifestyle. I know them, I love them and I will not stand and condemn them to hell. I truly know that God created them just as they are, gay. If the church sees this as an abomination, then that’s it, I’m out. By the way, I’m married to an ordained pastor who left his denomination because of such rigid interpretations of scripture. I’m walking away, I can’t handle the organized religious oppression any longer. I’m going to hang out with God and his word and find fellowship elsewhere.

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    • I’m sorry that you’re having such difficulty clarifying this in your mind. The problem I see in your criticism is exactly what I was trying to highlight in my original text – that the heart leads you astray as it relies on emotion rather than critical thought and application of scripture (in whole, not piecemeal).

      I actually eat lunch with a gay man every day and consider him a friend. He knows where I stand on the issue, but that I consider his affliction, and mine as one of sin, not of sexuality. That is the crux of this issue – the desanctification of sex and sexuality into a choice rather than the blessing from God that it is between a husband and wife and the perversion of that Godly thing into something else which is often how Satan works in the world today.

      I also doubt that you read the followup I wrote yesterday where I went further into some apologetics as to why we have to consider these prohibitions that you have an issue with as still valid today. As Paul said, shall we then go on sinning so that grace may increase?

      If rigidity within religion is an issue for you, that’s fine, but you do not have the authority to strip what you don’t like from the Holy Word just because it makes you uncomfortable.

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      • Diane

         /  December 9, 2013

        Amen! Thank you for standing up and speaking real Truth where others have horribly failed and spread deception and perversion to others.

  8. Rachel

     /  June 28, 2013

    Thank you for standing for the truth.

    The definition of love is patience, kindness, goodness, self control, etc. The Bible never condemns two people of the same sex loving each other in this way, i.e. David and Jonathan, Naomi and Ruth, Paul and Timothy. Parents love their children deeply. God loves us deeply. But none of these loves involved sexual union. The Bible is certainly pro-love. God is love. The argument about homosexuality isn’t whether love is okay between different groups of people. Love is always God’s will. The argument is whether sexual relations in these circumstances is what God intended.

    My point is that love is always right but adding sex isn’t always right. To illustrate my point, no-one has a problem with a brother loving his sister but almost everyone disapproves of the two having sex. On what grounds though, assuming they’d taken precautions to not produce children? The Bible condemns incest in the same way it condemns sex between two women or two men. But if that teaching is disregarded, then on what grounds can someone object to an adult daughter and her father marrying or to two brothers marrying?

    When we deny the Bible’s authority in our lives, we’re left to find truth in the opinions of our peers, popular culture, or whatever we feel to be true at the moment. Proverbs 14:12 says, “There is a way which seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death.”

    Following God’s will is a struggle, and apart from the power of God in us, it is impossible. But God can and will give us victory over our desires if we submit ourselves to him. Giving up something we long for in order to follow God is always a battle, whether that is turning away from an unhealthy relationship, a sinful habit, or false beliefs. But God is worth it. He is worth losing all for, because he is the source of all true happiness, peace, and joy.

    God desires for all to come to a knowledge of the truth and for all to be saved. To come to the Lord we must surrender our own wills in favor of his. Jesus didn’t seek out the suffering and humiliation of death on a cross, but said, “Not my will, Oh Lord, but yours.

    HIs will is perfect, and his teachings are trustworthy. Trust him and his word. He is faithful and will bless all who seek him and his ways.

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  9. Agreed

     /  July 25, 2013

    So glad to hear another Christian who reads their Bible stand up against this woman. Her influence on so many young, impressionable mothers is far reaching, and she doesn’t seem to take much time to see if what she is writing lines up with Scripture. I feel that she will have a lot to answer for one day-she admits herself in one of her entries (Dust on the Bible) that she isn’t very good at reading her Bible very often. So why do people defend her and take what she says as truth? It’s so sad that people can be so easily deceived.

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  10. Katie

     /  June 15, 2015

    This biggest issue with most Christians today is that they fail to recognize how unworthy they are to stand before a holy God. That is why Jesus came, to bridge this gap between us and our Creator. Sin is what separate us. And the Bible calls homosexuality a sin, in the Old Testament, and the New Testament (read Romans.) Once we understand just how unworthy we are, the price Jesus paid for our sin, we will all call sin what it really is, be convicted of that sin through the power of the Holy Spirit, and turn from it. There is no other option. I question whether many commenters here have had that encounter with the Creator of heaven and earth. The comments here seem to put man higher than God…Glennon is a human, not God, whether she is educated or not. We should test the spirits, and hold her views up to the Word of God. If they don’t line up with Gods Word, no matter how popular they are…they are not truth.
    “Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons. These people are hypocrites and liars, and their consciences are dead.”
    1 Timothy 4:1-2

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  11. Toots

     /  August 13, 2015

    You can believe you are right and I can believe I am right. This is entirely between each individual and their God.

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    • Katie

       /  August 13, 2015

      Actually it’s not. Gods Word has already been given on this topic. You can choose to believe it, or you can choose to believe the lies of the enemy. But you will stand before a holy God one day and give an account for what you know.

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